THE FUTURE OF MARKETING
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KATE JOHNSON

Episode 5 · 50 min

AI, Alignment, And The Death Of Single-Touch Marketing

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About this Episode

What if attribution isn't clarifying your strategy but quietly breaking it? In this episode of Future of Marketing, hosts Ethan Smith and Mada Seghete sit down with Kate Johnson, CMO of Dscout, to challenge the obsession with single-source attribution and the internal damage it can cause. Instead of arguing over which channel "sourced" a deal, Kate explains how her team focuses on deal stories — understanding the full narrative of influence across touchpoints. Powered in part by tools like Upside, this approach shifts the conversation from credit-taking to clarity: what combination of efforts actually moved the buyer forward? Kate also unpacks how she's structured her marketing team to operate like project-based pods — lean, cross-functional, and built around ownership. The result: less SLA theater, more accountability, and tighter alignment with sales. She shares why moving SDRs under marketing can transform feedback loops, how shared revenue metrics outperform isolated KPIs, and why high-touch collaboration with sales still wins. From the power of in-the-moment user research to the strategic value of no-meeting Wednesdays, this episode is a blueprint for building a marketing function that thinks clearly, moves efficiently, and earns executive trust.

Topics Covered

Attribution & MeasurementStorytellingSales & Marketing AlignmentLeadershipAI StrategyCommunityEvents
No.Topic
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Why single-source attribution undermines team morale and what to use instead

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How to use deal storytelling to show real influence across the funnel

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The "project pod" org structure that helps small teams outperform bigger budgets

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Why moving SDRs under marketing creates tighter GTM alignment

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How shared revenue metrics (win rate, velocity) replace siloed KPIs

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Why in-person moments often outperform high-production paid tactics

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How to build customer-led content that actually resonates

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What AI is great at (pattern recognition, drafting, data parsing) and where it fails (discovery, taste, judgment)

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Why leadership requires protected thinking time and how to operationalize it

About the Guest

Kate Johnson is the Chief Marketing Officer at Dscout, where she leads demand generation, digital, content, field, partner, account-based marketing, and BDR teams. A growth marketer and team builder, she has helped multiple companies scale from ~$30M to $80M in revenue by building disciplined, efficient demand engines. Kate is known for resourcefulness, operational clarity, and coaching-driven leadership. She structures teams to punch above their weight — hiring adaptable generalists, breaking down silos, and fostering cross-functional fluency.

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About the Hosts

Ethan Smith is Founder and CEO of Graphite Growth, a premium Vertical AI Growth Agency that helps companies like Webflow, Notion, MasterClass, and Captions drive sustainable revenue growth via SEO, content, and AEO (Answer Engine Optimization). Ethan is also an adjunct professor at IE Business School.

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Mada Seghete is the CEO and co-founder of Upside, a next-gen revenue intelligence platform for B2B leaders. Previously co-founded and was CMO of Branch, helping scale to $100M+ revenue. Cornell Engineering graduate with Masters and MBA from Stanford. Partner at XFactor Ventures investing in women founders and organizes yearly retreats for 100+ women founders.

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Guest

Kate Johnson

Chief Marketing Officer, Dscout

Hosts

Ethan Smith

Founder & CEO, Graphite Growth

Mada Seghete

CEO & Co-Founder, Upside

Guest

Kate Johnson

Chief Marketing Officer, Dscout

Hosts

Ethan Smith

Founder & CEO, Graphite Growth

Mada Seghete

CEO & Co-Founder, Upside

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