Episode 18 · 48 min
Rethinking Brand, Multi-Touch Attribution, and Marketing Careers in the AI Era
About this Episode
“There is no moat out there of LLM or SEO or anything else that will replace pure brand loyalty. And so building that brand comes from a lot of those personal experiences and community.”
Topics Covered
AI is changing how CMOs build teams — Kelly no longer backfills roles one-for-one, instead asking whether an agent can automate the manual work, then reallocating headcount toward strategy, prompting, editing, or customer journey ownership
BDRs are not dead — at 6sense, BDRs drive 64% of pipeline, but the model is different: AI handles research, follow-up, scheduling, and lower-segment volume, while humans focus on relationships and enterprise selling
Brand is becoming more important in an AI-led buying journey, as more buyers start research in LLMs and build shortlists before talking to sales
Kelly is skeptical of relying only on booth scans — at major events, 6sense looks at the full event ecosystem: booth, ancillary meetings, VIP dinners, practitioner events, and hosted experiences
Multi-touch attribution as relative attribution helps Kelly understand which channels contribute across the full journey, especially for enterprise deals with six-to-nine-month sales cycles
Kelly is shifting more attention toward the 95% of the ICP not yet in market — owned content, research, press releases, communities, podcasts, and keynotes shape what buyers and LLMs remember
AI can execute fast but can also be confidently wrong — if the message, positioning, or strategy going in is unclear, AI will scale that confusion faster, making strategy and clarity more valuable
About the Guest
Kelly Hopping is CMO at 6sense, where she leads marketing for a GTM intelligence platform helping B2B revenue teams identify which accounts are actively researching and in market before they fill out a form or speak to sales.
LinkedIn →About the Hosts
Mada Seghete is the CEO and co-founder of Upside, a next-gen revenue intelligence platform for B2B leaders. Previously co-founded and was CMO of Branch, helping scale to $100M+ revenue. Cornell Engineering graduate with Masters and MBA from Stanford. Partner at XFactor Ventures investing in women founders and organizes yearly retreats for 100+ women founders.
LinkedIn →Ethan Smith is Founder and CEO of Graphite Growth, a premium Vertical AI Growth Agency that helps companies like Webflow, Notion, MasterClass, and Captions drive sustainable revenue growth via SEO, content, and AEO (Answer Engine Optimization). Ethan is also an adjunct professor at IE Business School.
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