About this Episode
“80+ percent of citations come from earned, not owned. LLMs are smart—they search for authentic authority content, not your owned content that says you're great.”
Topics Covered
Why marketing now requires a dual mandate: optimizing for both human audiences and AI agents
How to build and scale a single core message across segments, channels, and geographies
The key differences between marketing to technologists vs. SMB business owners
Why traditional B2B playbooks break when selling to real-world operators
How AI-driven search (LLMs, AIO) is reshaping discovery, traffic, and visibility
A practical framework for ranking in AI search: focus, measure visibility, and prioritize earned content
Why earned media, community platforms, and user-generated content drive AI authority
Why 'AI + human' is the new operating model and how to apply it effectively
The shift from hiring teams to building AI agents that scale output
Why the best marketers are becoming builders who prototype, not just storytellers who pitch
How to design marketing organizations around speed, adaptability, and cross-functional leadership
Why future marketing leaders must act as quarterbacks, orchestrating people, systems, and AI together
Frequently Asked Questions
What is marketing's "dual mandate" according to Lindsey Irvine?
Marketing now has to create content that resonates with human buyers and content that AI agents can discover, interpret, and recommend, as search moves toward LLMs and AI overviews.
How does Square rank in AI search results?
By focusing on a clear message, measuring visibility, and prioritizing earned content — Lindsey Irvine notes over 80% of citations come from earned, not owned, media.
How is marketing to SMB business owners different from marketing to technical B2B buyers?
SMB owners aren't technologists — Square prioritizes simplicity, trust, and time savings over technical complexity, since traditional B2B playbooks built for technical buyers don't translate directly.
What kind of marketer does Lindsey Irvine think the future needs?
Builders who prototype rather than just storytellers who pitch, and leaders who act as cross-functional "quarterbacks" orchestrating both human teams and AI agents.
About the Guest
Lindsey Irvine is the Chief Marketing Officer at Square, where she leads global marketing across brand, demand, product, field, and operations to drive growth for more than 4.5 million sellers worldwide. Known for building high-performing, fast-moving teams, Lindsey focuses on connecting product innovation to real customer value, turning field insights into strategy, and creating brands that businesses choose first. Prior to Square, she served as CMO at Benchling and spent nearly a decade at Salesforce, including leadership roles as Global COO and CMO of MuleSoft.
LinkedIn →About the Hosts
Mada Seghete is the CEO and co-founder of Upside, a next-gen revenue intelligence platform for B2B leaders. Previously co-founded and was CMO of Branch, helping scale to $100M+ revenue. Cornell Engineering graduate with Masters and MBA from Stanford. Partner at XFactor Ventures investing in women founders and organizes yearly retreats for 100+ women founders.
LinkedIn →Camille Ricketts is a Partner at XYZ Venture Capital, where she leads investments in product-led growth and go-to-market software startups. Prior, she was the first marketing leader at Notion, building out the brand, community, and more. She also founded First Round Review for First Round Capital, managed communications at Tesla, and reported for the Wall Street Journal.
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