About this Episode
“Expertise is dead — not because experience stopped mattering, but because the old playbooks expire faster than most leaders can admit.”
Topics Covered
Why marketing is moving toward human authenticity as AI-generated content floods every channel
Why old CMO playbooks are no longer enough, and why reinvention now needs to happen weekly or daily
Why brand spend can behave like performance spend when the product solves an urgent, transactional pain
How Vanta used AI to mine hundreds of Gong calls and identify “audit hell” as the insight behind its enterprise compliance campaign
How Scott thinks about AEO as a strategic discipline as AI tools increasingly shape what buyers discover
Why Scott would build a 10-person marketing team around three profiles: product marketer, systems architect, and influencer-style creator
About the Guest
Scott Holden is CMO at Vanta, where he leads marketing as the company moves upmarket from SOC 2 into broader compliance, risk, trust centers, vendor questionnaires, and privacy. He previously helped scale ThoughtSpot from zero to $150M and doubled spend efficiency in the startup segment at Brex.
LinkedIn →About the Hosts
Mada Seghete is the CEO and co-founder of Upside, a next-gen revenue intelligence platform for B2B leaders. Previously co-founded and was CMO of Branch, helping scale to $100M+ revenue. Cornell Engineering graduate with Masters and MBA from Stanford. Partner at XFactor Ventures investing in women founders and organizes yearly retreats for 100+ women founders.
LinkedIn →Ethan Smith is Founder and CEO of Graphite Growth, a premium Vertical AI Growth Agency that helps companies like Webflow, Notion, MasterClass, and Captions drive sustainable revenue growth via SEO, content, and AEO (Answer Engine Optimization). Ethan is also an adjunct professor at IE Business School.
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