Episode 16 · 60 min

Building a Lean, AI-Era Marketing Team

About this Episode

In this episode of Future of Marketing, hosts Mada Seghete and Ethan Smith sit down with Scott Holden, CMO at Vanta, to unpack how marketing changes when AI accelerates output, weakens old playbooks, and makes authenticity harder to fake. Scott shares why he believes “expertise is dead,” how Vanta is moving upmarket from SOC 2 into broader compliance, risk, trust centers, vendor questionnaires, and privacy, and why the company’s “compliance” campaign used buyer pain, humor, AEO, LinkedIn, and AI-mined Gong insights to reach senior CISOs. He also explains why brand can act like performance spend, how AEO requires repeated message consensus across trusted sources, and why the modern marketing team needs product marketers, systems architects, and creator-style operators.

Expertise is dead — not because experience stopped mattering, but because the old playbooks expire faster than most leaders can admit.

Scott Holden

Topics Covered

Brand StrategyAnswer Engine OptimizationMarketing LeadershipB2B SaaS
No.Topic
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Why marketing is moving toward human authenticity as AI-generated content floods every channel

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Why old CMO playbooks are no longer enough, and why reinvention now needs to happen weekly or daily

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Why brand spend can behave like performance spend when the product solves an urgent, transactional pain

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How Vanta used AI to mine hundreds of Gong calls and identify “audit hell” as the insight behind its enterprise compliance campaign

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How Scott thinks about AEO as a strategic discipline as AI tools increasingly shape what buyers discover

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Why Scott would build a 10-person marketing team around three profiles: product marketer, systems architect, and influencer-style creator

About the Guest

Scott Holden is CMO at Vanta, where he leads marketing as the company moves upmarket from SOC 2 into broader compliance, risk, trust centers, vendor questionnaires, and privacy. He previously helped scale ThoughtSpot from zero to $150M and doubled spend efficiency in the startup segment at Brex.

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About the Hosts

Mada Seghete is the CEO and co-founder of Upside, a next-gen revenue intelligence platform for B2B leaders. Previously co-founded and was CMO of Branch, helping scale to $100M+ revenue. Cornell Engineering graduate with Masters and MBA from Stanford. Partner at XFactor Ventures investing in women founders and organizes yearly retreats for 100+ women founders.

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Ethan Smith is Founder and CEO of Graphite Growth, a premium Vertical AI Growth Agency that helps companies like Webflow, Notion, MasterClass, and Captions drive sustainable revenue growth via SEO, content, and AEO (Answer Engine Optimization). Ethan is also an adjunct professor at IE Business School.

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Guest

Scott Holden

CMO, Vanta

Hosts

Mada Seghete

CEO & Co-Founder, Upside

Ethan Smith

Founder & CEO, Graphite Growth

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