Episode 9 · 67:57

What It Takes to Market a Product When the Category Doesn't Fully Exist Yet

About this Episode

What does it take to market a product when the category itself doesn't fully exist yet? In this episode of Future of Marketing, hosts Ethan Smith and Camille Ricketts sit down with Cecilia Stallsmith, CMO at Lovable, to unpack the realities of building and scaling marketing in one of the fastest-moving spaces in tech. Ceci brings a rare perspective shaped by her experience scaling developer ecosystems, advising founders, and now leading marketing at a company redefining how software gets built. At Lovable, the challenge isn't just go-to-market execution, it's defining the narrative for a product that serves multiple audiences at once: developers, non-technical founders, and enterprise buyers. A central theme in the conversation is the misconception that developers are "immune" to marketing. In reality, Ceci argues they are deeply influenced by brand, identity, and culture—just in less obvious ways. Choosing a tool isn't just a functional decision; it's a signal of taste and belonging. That insight fundamentally changes how teams should approach messaging, design, and community-building. The episode also explores the complexity of category creation in the age of AI. With terms like "vibe coding" and "agentic software" emerging rapidly, Ceci explains why locking into buzzwords too early can backfire. Instead, her approach is to run multiple messaging experiments simultaneously and let the market determine what sticks, rather than forcing a single narrative prematurely. AI's role in marketing is another major focus—but not in the way most teams think. Ceci emphasizes that the real advantage isn't AI-generated content, but the ability to dramatically compress feedback loops. Faster testing, quicker iteration, and real-time insights allow smaller teams to run more campaigns, take more risks, and learn faster than ever before. Finally, Ceci addresses the rise of AI-driven "consensus" and how it impacts brand perception. As AI systems synthesize years of content from across the internet, companies must actively shape their narrative by flooding the ecosystem with fresh, credible signals, rather than trying to erase outdated positioning. The takeaway is clear: in a market defined by rapid change, the winners will be the ones willing to experiment faster, adapt constantly, and build brands people want to belong to.

"Choosing a tool isn't just a functional decision; it's a signal of taste and belonging. That insight fundamentally changes how teams should approach messaging, design, and community-building."

— Ceci Stallsmith

Topics Covered

Category CreationDeveloper MarketingAI StrategyBrand BuildingMessagingCommunity
No.Topic
01

Why category creation requires experimentation, not fixed positioning

02

How to market to developers by understanding identity, taste, and culture

03

The right way to approach emerging AI category language (and when to avoid it)

04

How to scale marketing across multiple audiences with a single core narrative

05

Why product-market fit does more heavy lifting than perfect messaging

06

How AI compresses feedback loops and enables faster experimentation

07

The shift from hiring teams to leveraging AI agents for scale

08

Why developer loyalty is fragile and how brand influences it

09

How to use influencers, UGC, and community to drive behavior change

10

Why breaking brand guidelines can sometimes create more impact than enforcing them

11

How AI-driven 'consensus' shapes your brand—and how to influence it

12

Why the future of marketing teams favors speed, experimentation, and adaptability

About the Guest

Ceci Stallsmith is the CMO at Lovable, where she leads marketing for a company redefining how software gets built. Her career spans scaling developer ecosystems, advising founders, and building brands at the intersection of product and community. At Lovable, Ceci navigates the unique challenge of marketing a product that serves multiple audiences—developers, non-technical founders, and enterprise buyers—while the category itself is still being defined.

LinkedIn

About the Hosts

Ethan Smith is Founder and CEO of Graphite Growth, a premium Vertical AI Growth Agency that helps companies like Webflow, Notion, MasterClass, and Captions drive sustainable revenue growth via SEO, content, and AEO (Answer Engine Optimization). Ethan is also an adjunct professor at IE Business School.

LinkedIn

Camille Ricketts is a Partner at XYZ Venture Capital, where she leads investments in product-led growth and go-to-market software startups. Prior, she was the first marketing leader at Notion, building out the brand, community, and more. She also founded First Round Review for First Round Capital, managed communications at Tesla, and reported for the Wall Street Journal.

LinkedIn

Guest

Ceci Stallsmith

CMO, Lovable

Hosts

Ethan Smith

Founder & CEO, Graphite Growth

Camille Ricketts

Partner, XYZ Venture Capital

STAY CONNECTED